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Post by Mikko Afro on Jun 26, 2010 21:16:49 GMT 8
Talaga? Pumupunta pala sa Beer House si God? Check nyo mga inidoro nyo. Baka ma flush natin si God dun pagkatapos nating dumumi.  About sa ontological argument of yours Kerby, There are some general faults which all ontological arguments display. They can be summed up in three slogans: (i) Existence is not a property. (ii) Existential statements are second order statements. (iii) No existential statements can be logically necessary. Interpretation ko lang yan hah  If others question me about my MUD SLINGING to Christianity..it is because of there own fault..condemning people of there own race, religion, and views. For them it's a game of power and numbers. They amass fortunes and political power. It's about absolute truth and absolute evil. There is no room for middle ground unless they can use it to their gain. It's a world of us against them, where propaganda labels the opposition as evil and immoral. Slander is just, as long as it serves their 'higher' cause. It isn't about playing fair, they must win the hearts and minds of all, by any means necessary. They only fight for freedom as long as it frees them to convert more to their cause... its one big friggin mafia and God is there Kingpin. And Satan has kept it in business for years. Despicable. |
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Post by musiquera on Jun 27, 2010 23:03:47 GMT 8
Whatever you say  He is everywhere. About that ontological argument. In which or other aspects it may be. As I've mentioned earlier I am not philosophical. SO, your explanation are beyond the limits of my so called PEA BRAIN. Moreover, it is obvious that NO ONE has ever justify nor lay down evidences how did HE existed or so. But... For as long as someone is there to believe, to protest, to SHOUT. The only thing that I can say is.."hindi paramihan ang isang relihiyon. We should unite. But of course, CLASH ito. Dahil sila ang may TOTOO at TAMA na DIYOS. |
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Post by robinhood on Jun 28, 2010 16:41:36 GMT 8
basta ako, i believe that God exist.. kanya-kanya tayo ng paniniwala..
marami talagang thomas sa mundo..hehe
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Post by tulumeh on Jun 29, 2010 19:20:24 GMT 8
Christian God? wla pong religion ang God. baka ang snasbi mo ay ang ibat ibang pagkakilala sa God? 1 God pro iba iba ang role nya. ano knalaman ng mga greek gods dito? slamat at sumangayon ka.ang pguging sure ay kabaligtaran ng faith. kung ALAM kong nkatayo k sa harapan ko, kelangan ko pa ba ng faith pra maniwalang andun k nga? ang source ng morality ng mga tao ay ang innate sense ng tama at mali. isang gift mula sa Panginoon ng likhain niya tayo. kung opinyon mo yan, bhala ka na dyan. ay oo agnostic k nga pla. "maybe" lng kya mong sabihin. ;D |
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Post by tulumeh on Jun 29, 2010 19:41:04 GMT 8
All are those myths (as what they are insisting). So ibig sabihin ba nun eh ang konsepto ng paglitaw ng Christian God ay maiihalintulad din sa mga Greek Gods na nasabi mo? Sa tingin ko kasi, OO pkiexplain kng bkit khalintulad ng greek gods ang God? at bkit b lging Christian God? itama ntin. faith at reason po. |
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Post by tulumeh on Jun 29, 2010 19:57:59 GMT 8
Normal lang naman talaga ang magduda sa isang paniniwala pero if you keep on institing your faith based on doubt as the truth eh magkakaroon ng problema si Tulumeh jan and the other Christians concerned. we insist? kaw kya nagtanong sumagot lng ako. kng di ka convince s sgot, nsa iyo n yan. |
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Post by musiquera on Jul 3, 2010 11:26:03 GMT 8
Woooot. MAINIT na labananan to. PEACE.  Hindi ako marunong mag quote kasi, >.< AGNOSTIC nga siya. Tha's why he would not consider any explanations here unless you lay down a PROOF. |
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Post by tulumeh on Jul 3, 2010 13:21:31 GMT 8
agnostic sya pero andami dn nya cnabi n wlang proof. malabo.
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Post by Mikko Afro on Jul 3, 2010 18:28:56 GMT 8
Hello, am I pointing out na may religion ang God? What I'm asking ay kung wala ng Christian Bible, may matatawag bang Christian God? Nope. I'm wondering lang naman na kung walang Christian God, meron pa din kayang Greek Gods? Di mo kasi na gegetz e  Hah? Nakakatawa naman ito. Conventional Thinking po tawag dun. Obvious ba na kelangan pa ng Faith? Alam mo ba ang ibig sabihin ng Faith? Anu ba naman yan  I think Acquired po yun at hindi innate. Meron ka na bang morality nung pinanganak ka? Pano mo naman nalaman? Pano mo namang nasabing may Divine Intervention ang mga ito? Sigurado ka ba na si God ang nagbigay? Kasi po in the first place, Christian God na ang pinaguusapan natin eh. Diba nga all fundamentalists are always insisting that Greek Gods are all myths, pano mo majujustify na totoo yung Christian God mo? Siguro naman aware ka din sa life story ni Mithra, Horus and Krishna? Uu. Kasi I'm old enough to be fascinated on Fairy Tales. Dito pa nga lang eh malabo mo ng patunayan ang Faith mo ay isang Reason. Kasi inamin mo na duda ka na in the first place. Awts  Talaga? Dapat bang gamitin ang Faith as a Reason? Siguro nga kasi Theist ka kaya i-coconsider ko na lang yung sinabi mo. Uu. Kasi I'm not sure. Ipagpalagay na natin na "maybe" hindi mo alam ang Agnosticism at nasabi mong wala akong naiilathalang proofs. Ikaw nga jan eh, puro Assumptions Yung Burden of Proof po ay nasa Affirmative Position. Logic 101 lang po Kuya tulumeh PS: ito po yung Conventional Thinking. Just in case lang po na hindi nyo alam  SEE YOU NEXT TIME  |
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Post by tulumeh on Jul 5, 2010 9:46:23 GMT 8
grammar 101 lng nmn kua. ang word n 'Christian' ay pdeng noun kung ggmitin mo 'pntukoy' s mga taong my pni2wala ky Kristo. peo s pgamit mo, ang word n 'Christian' ay 'panlarawan' sa word n 'God.' walang Christian God, wlang greek god, wlang ibang god! Iisa lng ang God n lumikha s atin. ang tao lng may iba ibang pgkakilala s Kanya.
tama k. di ko tlaga magets kung ann konek ni God s greek gods.
bshin mo uli ung pnagmulan ni2. galing ito s 'faith is base on doubt.' gulo mo kua. sumangayon k sakin dun isang post tpos ndi mo n maintndihan?
mlabo kua. acquired saan? may proof k b ni2?
pkipaliwanag nga kumbakit all fundamentlists insist on that, pkiproove n ren? at ano knalaman ko s mga fndamentlist?
kelan kya ako my cnbi n faith ay reason? kaw lng ngsa2bi nyan kua. d mo kc nagegets ang bngay kong pliwanag s faith at doubt.
ulet! faith at reason. ndi faith as reason. strawman.
agnosticism. pniniwalang wlang alam or ndi mlalaman. gang san ang agnostic mo? pti sa frends mo agnostic k kua?
so may burden of proof dn s yo. proove mo na 1. wla png nkakaalam kung may God o wla. 2. ndi mlalaman ng tao kung may God o wla.
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Post by Mikko Afro on Jul 5, 2010 22:15:56 GMT 8
Google mo po pati na rin yung Creationist Kasi nga po dito sa society natin, whenever we refer to the literature from which the Greek god's come from, we refer to it as mythology. And yet, when we refer to the literature of the Judeo-Christian God, the Bible, this is not referred to as mythology. Kaya masasabi ko na a lot of fundamentalist believe that Greek Gods are all myths while the Christian God ay hindi. Hindi ka kumbinsido? Ask your professor sa World Literature Kasi sa pagkakaintindi ko, hindi natin masasabing innate ang morality dahil sa concept ng Empiricism. Kasi in the first place, hindi natin alam kung meron ba tayo nito o wala. Wala akong dapat i disprove sa lahat ng mga Gods tulumeh kasi hindi naman ako Atheist. Paano naman natin mabibigyan ng credit yung mga Gods na pnu-prove ng ibang sekta na existent? Yun ang essence ng Agnosticism Strawman? As a Theist like you, Faith is always the reason po. Hindi mo na po mapaghihiwalay yun kasi nga ang tinutukoy natin dito ay imaginary being. Kaya as a reason, faith ang gagamitin mo. Diba nga, ang Faith ay is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see -Hebrews 11:1 Kay madawc ako sumang-ayon at hindi sayo. ;D Sinabi kasi nya na it's rational for man to doubt. Tama yun! Pero kung yun faith mo ay based sa doubt, hindi ba erroneous yun sa part mo bilang Christian? Hmmm Sa realm of supernaturals lang ako agnostic. Kung proven through Empirical and Conventional means, why bother myself to be an Agnostic? LOL ;D Erroneous. Walang ibang God tapos iisa lang ang God na lumikha sa atin. Paano mo nasabing nilikha ka nga ng God mo? May God ka ba talaga kuya? Ikaw ang malabo eh  Actually, wala akong maibibigay sayong proof. God's existence cannot be proven or known. Malamang merong God pero hindi mo naman masabi kung sino ang existent at sino ang hindi. I'm confident na I don't know the ultimate truth. So ano i pprove ko sayo e skeptical nga ako pag dating sa ganyang bagay? Sa mga tanong mo ito ang mga sagot ko: 1. Eh ano tawag mo sa God mo? Diba may God ka? Alam mo kasing may God ka edi may God ka. Ikaw bilang example ay nakakaalam na may God ka nga. 2. Yung existence or nonexistence of a deity or deities and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. "I cannot know whether a deity exists or not, and neither can you." Yun ay kung tinatanong mo ako bilang agnostic. MAKAINOM NA LANG!! HAHAHAHAHAHA  |
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Post by madawc on Jul 6, 2010 22:48:05 GMT 8
so busy, may nag email lng saken nito
Jesus’ miracles were witnessed by many and were documented redundantly for additional corroboration. He was seen by at least 500 people after His resurrection. He was seen ascending into heaven. His transfiguration was seen by Peter, James, and John. His wisdom in dealing with many circumstances was astounding. He never promoted Himself or His miracles. C. S. Lewis stated that He couldn’t have just been a good teacher. He was either a liar, lunatic, or Lord. He didn’t even come close to meeting the profile of a liar or lunatic, so He had to be God.
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Post by tulumeh on Jul 9, 2010 9:33:45 GMT 8
wla ng sense tong usapan na to. kung wlang panig ang kausap at di nya alam kung san sya ppanig, pde ko sbihin n pumwesto k muna bgo k mang-husga kung tama o mali ako. d nya alam kung may God tas d rin alam kung mron, anu p paguusapan?
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Post by musiquera on Jul 9, 2010 13:13:07 GMT 8
This is a GOOD topic. HOw can you say walang kwenta? Of course, AGNOSTIC nga. He didn't say walang God. He needs a proof lang. LIVING sentinient. Tangible and can be seen. But of course, hindi nga sya maniniwala. Kahit sabihin mo pa lahat ng nlalaman mo. I admit, i am not that good on explaining things but at some point I DO respect his opinion. Kanya kanyang lang paniniwala. kung sa kanya ee wala. EH DI WALA> SIMPLE as that. |
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Post by tulumeh on Jul 10, 2010 10:54:50 GMT 8
cnabi n nya n hindi mlalaman kung may God o wla. so khit anong proof ibigay mo, wlang epekto s paniniwala niya na hndi kyang mlaman ng tao ang God. ano sense ng usapan? sarado n sya paniniwala niya. sentient po ata to. lol kya nga nonsense. ako: cause and effect po proof ko n may God. agnostic: nku, d ntin mlalaman yan. ako: bible nman po. agnostic: nku, d ntin mlalaman yan. ako: ok. wla pla e. ano p piniputok ng butse moh? un nga sbi ko dba? tpos! |
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He is everywhere. 
