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Post by Mikko Afro on Jun 21, 2010 11:13:17 GMT 8
So san mo nakuha ang lahat? Child Indoctrination?
If you can do rebonding service for free, cge ikaw bahala. Hehehe
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musiquera
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Post by musiquera on Jun 21, 2010 11:14:41 GMT 8
AW. Blasphemous. Tama ba spelling ko? haha! I think it's too broad para isipin na pag doubtful ka for his existence you are not faithful. There are instances na YOU actually questioned HIM. But still theoretically He existed 2,000 years ago.  Because of the Bible. We refer on it. As you have stated. Pag walang Bible wala na lahat. That's why for illiterates. The messiah,the prophet or spokesperson in layman's language - His medium to spread the word.. Like you - an instrument to hold on to our faith MORE. Moving on, Sige paparebond kita. text mo ko. sabihin mo kay lester. nyahhaa! |
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Post by Mikko Afro on Jun 21, 2010 11:18:46 GMT 8
Blasphemous? That one is not applicable for me Kerby Diba nga maniwala ka ng walang pag-iimbot. Ika-nga, not my will but your will be done. So panu mo masusunod ang will nya kung ang faith mo mismo ay based sa doubt? Hmmmm Believe or have eternal life on hell. Parang ung mga nasa Telenovela lang. Magpapakasal ka oh mawawalan ka ng mana? Hahaha Moving on, friend pala kayo ni Lester hah. Panu mo nalaman na friends kami? Hmmm |
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Post by musiquera on Jun 21, 2010 11:23:04 GMT 8
I'll believe. Pray without ceasing. and the rest will follow. |
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Post by Mikko Afro on Jun 21, 2010 11:27:58 GMT 8
BTW, amazed ka saan? Hmmm Prayin without ceasing. Hunger will follow |
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Post by musiquera on Jun 21, 2010 11:29:21 GMT 8
@you. cheesy! bwahaha! OFFtopic. Amazed how God gave you such wisdom. |
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Post by Mikko Afro on Jun 21, 2010 11:32:38 GMT 8
Prove first that God exists before concluding that the God you are talking about gave me such wisdom. Moving on, does your intellect possess omnipotence to know God's great plan? Hmmm  |
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Post by musiquera on Jun 21, 2010 11:45:53 GMT 8
haha! Di ko nga masagot kasi nga i have a pea brain.  ) tahaha! What about his omnipotence?Powerful as it may seems. Unexplainable. Tackling about intellect and great plan. Isn't Good to know that we're fortunate to have a blessed life. Moreover, Hindi ako mananalo sa mga sinasabi mo. I'm not philosophical or so. Do i have to explain briefly that Faith cannot be seen by naked eyes. haha! Ay nako. uulit tayu sa una nito. As what others stated. We cannot justify like give proofs that is tangible nor chewable(gum ito?)., But we have FREE WILL. To obey him or not. To believe or not. It's up to YOU brad. Isn't it amazing how we breathe. How we argue about the manifestation of GOD. How did He existed nor Does He really exist? ... But then again, It's my opinion. I cannot explain furthermore behind those things. |
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Post by Mikko Afro on Jun 21, 2010 12:05:15 GMT 8
It's good to know that I live my life to the fullest without the supervision of such imaginary friend. I'm living in this world without a so-called mental disorder. Hindi nah. Kasi understood na yun eh. Sa anong way mo nga ma-jjustify? Simpleng tanong lang naman yan eh. Hmm, Hebrews 11:1 So ibig sabihin ba nito ay wala kang pakealam whether God exist o ginagamit mo itong reason para masabi mo na God is great because we are still breathing? Hindi ako namamangha kasi in the first place, humihinga naman talaga tayo eh. Wala naman kasing taong hindi humihinga na nabubuhay hanggang ngayon eh. So walang nakamamangha I recognizes that both groups (Atheists/Theists) have delusions. Instead of arguing over whether something "is true" or "is false," I notices that things may seem true in some way and false in another way. Wasting less time squabbling over such petty matters leaves me with more time and energy to focus into more productive areas. It does not matter whether you win or lose, but how you express your ideas and opinions. |
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Post by musiquera on Jun 21, 2010 12:08:21 GMT 8
So be it. Vice versa. either way. The botomline. I believe. haha! |
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Post by Mikko Afro on Jun 21, 2010 12:10:31 GMT 8
In what? Invisible Pink Unicorn? OK |
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Post by musiquera on Jun 21, 2010 12:17:02 GMT 8
How do I prove that god exist?
This is the same thing as how Rene Descartes prove that God exist. through the systematic doubt and building the eldifis of knowledge.
First, clear your mind, doubt of anything you can doubt of.
Second, Sit and relax.
Third, (we are going to meditate), Magsalita sa isip:
"Pinagtatakahan ko kung bakit may Diyos..."
-kung may pinagtatakahan dapat may nagtataka.
"Sino ang nagtataka?"
-Ako, ako ay nagtataka.
"Kung gayon si Ako ay nagaganap"
(Cogito ergo sum, I think therefore I exist)
"May Diyos ba?'
"Bakit ko alam ang salitang "Diyos", kung walang Diyos?"
"May salita tayong binibigay dahil nagaganap sila"
"May salitang aso, dahil may nilalang na apat ang paa, mabalahibo at kumakahol"
"Ngunit may Diyos nga ba?"
"Paano ko nalaman ang konsepto ng Diyos? hindi naman ako ang nagpasok nito sa ulo ko"
"Walang ibang bagay na makapagpapasok ng konsepto ng Diyos maliban sa sarili ko, o baka naman may makapangyarihang nilalang na nagpasok nito sa ulo ko"
"Kung gayon, ang Diyos ay nagaganap"
"May Diyos"
1. Ang mga salita ay ibinibigay para sa mga bagay na nagaganap.
2. Walang salitang ibinibigay para sa isang nilala na may 800 paa at nakalilipad.
3. May salitang Diyos.
4. Kung gayon, nagaganap ang Diyos.
Paano ko kokontrahin ang argumentong ito?
Ang sinasabi mong Diyos ay ang Diyos na nasa isip mo lang. Ikaw mismo ang nagsabi, ang konsepto ng Diyos ay nasa ulo mo.
Ngunit paano natin nilalarawan ang Diyos?
all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good,
ALL POWERFUL - ang isang Diyos na nabubuhay sa realidad ay mas powerful sa Diyos na nabubuhay sa isip mo lamang. Kung gayon, ang Diyos ay nabubuhay sa realidad. Kung gayon hindi balido na maging rason ang pagkakaroon ng konsepto ng Diyos sa isip, upang masabi nang may diyos sa realidad.
1. An all-knowing, All-Powerful, All-Good being exist in our mind.
2. But an all-knowing, all powerful, all-good being that exist in reality is more powerful that which exist in our mind.
3. Therefore, God must exist in reality.
Getz nyo na?
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Post by Mikko Afro on Jun 21, 2010 12:23:57 GMT 8
God is just a big word. A whale shark is not a whale, it’s a fish. Whale sharks (Rhincodon typus) is a very big fish, that’s why we call it a whale. Human ideas and imagination creates words
– That’s the essence of etymology.
Etymology is the development of words…and like other words “god” evolved. Without Old English, the word god has no meaning. That’s because the idea of the word “god” reside on the origin the word.
God started from the Sanskrit word “hub” or “emu”. Later this will become the root of the Gothic term “gheu”. So the word god came from India, then it traveled to the Eastern Germanic Europeans and then to England in about 450 to 1050 CE. On that time, Bede and Adlhelm were translating the Bible from Old Latin to Old English.
So deus was transformed to god, not because that was the Supreme Being’s name but because that was the language of the Anglo Saxons. Most Latin words were of Greco-Roman origin. The Latin deus came from the Greek word theos. So where did the word theos (θεός) comes from? It was derived from the Proto-Indo-European root dhēs- which means to call, or to invoke.
It was also said that the word theos were derived from two Greek verb theoro (I see) and theo (to run)…All seeing and all moving huh? Well that’s according to John Scuttus Eruigena.
But the name Zeus (The top god of Olympus) was derived from the Proto-Indo-European root *dyeu- which means “to shine,". The notion of deity was therefore linked to the notion of the bright sky. Well may I add that for Indo-Europeans, the society of the gods was conceived in the image of their own society as patriachal.
Even the Filipino word diyos or dios came from the Spanish deos which can again be trace back from the Greek word theos. Another Filipino word for god is Bathala. Bathala is from Sanskrit bhattara which means something honorific, something venerable, and worshipful.
So the word 'god" is actually nothing but a label which embodied a being that supposed to be Almighty. Without human ideas, god is nothing but a meaningless, hollow word.
I think the best meaning of the word god is the personification of human ideas of human qualities expanded beyond human limits.
-mikko-indiorational.blogspot.com
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Post by madawc on Jun 21, 2010 13:09:45 GMT 8
But why is it that his faith are based on doubt? That's why I'm asking Tulumeh about his faith with a twist of doubt. Hmmmm I cannot prove that God don't exist. There may be a proof in the future that allows me to do so, but at this time, No. However, I'm open to the idea and possibility that they might exist. As what I've said, Conventional thinking dictates that I exist and a God doesn't. Sa karami-rami ng simbahan sa mundo, pano nila masasabi na they belong in the "one" true religion? If you come to think of it... more profoundly, if god really exists and he sketches his own plan, then the devil is his executor. In order to crucify his son, Jesus to satisfy his need (whatever it was) He needed the devil in the part of his plan to seduce Judah to kiss his gay master on his forehead, or maybe on the lips the night before, and to have the Roman soldier grab his butt, and to have the Jews nail him on the planks where he could show off his stripped body.  Faith is base on doubt, because it is rational for man to doubt. And if our ask me what is the basis of my faith. its not doubt but it is relying on subjective personal experience of other persons, that we called saints. that they are in fact in personal connection of God. although we can say this we should be focusing on objective facts. we just can't disregard the possibility of this subjective personal accounts. According to the great religion truth by mathatma gandi. all religion of the worlds are true. but on my on view, The exsistance of the chirstian god and his power to protect his church is seen by history by the thousand years of stability of the catholic church. I need more time to answer the last question about God as the great architect of universe |
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Post by Mikko Afro on Jun 21, 2010 19:05:54 GMT 8
Normal lang naman talaga ang magduda sa isang paniniwala pero if you keep on institing your faith based on doubt as the truth eh magkakaroon ng problema si Tulumeh jan and the other Christians concerned. |
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