God?? Hmmmmmmm

[Pengyou]

Unang una kailangan ko munang mapatunayan na sa biblia ay nakapaloobang mga salita ng Diyos at nagsasabi ng pawang katotohanan..

PAANO NATIN MATITIYAK KUNG ANG BIBILIANG GINAMIT NATING NGAYON AY
ANG TUNAY NA BANAL NAKASULATAN?

Susuriin natin kung kauri ito ng mga salita ng Diyos. Ano ba
ang uri ng mga salita ng Diyos?Sa Juan 17:17 ay sinasabi ang ganito:

"Pakabanalin mo sila sa katotohanan: ang salita mo'y katotohanan."

Ang mga salita ng Diyos at katotohanan sapagkat kapag Kaniyang
sinalita ay Kaniyang pinangyayarihin.Ganito ang pahayag ng Diyos
sa Isaias 46:11 :

"Na tumatawag ng ibong mangdadagit mula sa silanganan, ng
taong gumagawa ng aking payo mula sa malayong lupain;oo, aking
sinalita, akin namang papangyayarihin;aking pinanukala, aking
namang gagawin."

Kaya makikita sa pangyayari o sa katuparan na totoo ang sinalita
ng Diyos.Iba ang salita ng Diyos sa salita ng tao. Ang salita ng
tao ay malimit na napasisinungalignan at hindi natutupad saman-
talang ang salita ng Diyos ay katotohanan sapagkat may katuparan
ang lahat ng Kaniyang sinalita.

ANO-ANU ANG ILAN SA MGA SINABI NG DIYOS NOON PANG UNA,NA NASU-
SULAT SA BIBLIA, at NASAKSIHAN NATIN NANGYARI?

Ang Unang Digmaan Pansanlibutan na sumiklab noong 1914 at ang
Ikalawang Digmaang Pandaigdig na sumiklab noong 1939 ay katupa-
ran ng ipinagpauna ni Cristo na digmaang magaganap bilang pala-
tandaang malapit na ang kaniyang muling pagparito.

"At mangkakarinig kayo ng mga digmaan at mga alingawngaw ng mga
digmaan; ingatan ninyo na huwag kayong magulumihanan: sapagka't
kinakailangang ito'y mangyari datapuwa't hindi pa ang wakas.
"Sapagka't magsisitindig ang bansa laban sa bansa, at ang kaha-
rian laban sa kaharian; at magkakagutom at lilindol sa iba't
ibang dako." (Mat. 24:6-7)

Ang mga Digmaang hinulaan sa mga talatang ito ay naiiba kaysa
maraming digmaang naganap sa kasaysayan ng sangkatauhan, sapagkat
ang tinutukoy ay digmaang kasasangkutan ng mga bansa at aali-
ngawngaw o mapapabalita. Ang digmaang sumiklab noong 1914 ang
kauna-unahang digmaan na kinasangkutan ng halos lahat ng basa at
napabalita sa buong sanlibutan kaya ito ay tinatawag ng kasaysa-
yan na Unang Digmaang Pandaigdig. Ang Ikalawang Digmaang Pandaig-
dig ay sumiklab naman noong 1939. Ang mga ito katibayan na totoo
ang nakasulat sa Biblia.

Ano pa ang sinabi ng Diyos, sa pamamagitan ni Cristo, na nakatala
rin sa Biblia at nakatakdang mangyari sa mga huling panahon?
Ang mga digmaang hinulaan ay susundan ng mga kagutom,kahirapan,
at ,mga paglindol sa iba't ibang dako:

"Sapagka't magsisitindig ang bansa laban sa bansa, at ang kaha-
rian laban sa kaharian; at magkakagutom at lilindol sa iba't
ibang dako.
"Datapuwa't ang lahat ng mga bagay na ito ay siyang pasimula ng
kahirapan." (Mat.24:7-8)

Ito man ay nasaksihan natin naganap, Sa lahat halos ng panig ng
mundo ay nagdanas ang mga tao ng matinding kahirapan pagkatapos
ng mga digmaang pandaigdig na ito. Ang pagkakagutom at paglindol
sa iba't ibang dako na ibinabala rin ng hula ay natutupad din.
At patuloy natin itong nasasaksihan o nababalitaan. Ang mga ito
ay nagpapatunay na ang sinabi ng Biblia ay totoo sapagkat natu-
pad ang mga ipinagpauna nito na mangyayari.

ANO PA ANG SINABI NG DIOS, NA NAKATALA RIN SA BIBLIA,NA MANGYA-
YARI sa PANAHONG MALAPIT na ANG WAKAS?

Ang paglago ng karunungan ng tao, na hinulaan noon pa mang pana-
hon ng Propeta Daniel:

"Nguni't ikaw, Oh Daniel, isara mo ang mga salita, at tatakan
mo ang mga aklat,hanggang sa panahon ngkawakasan: marami ang ta-
takbo ng paroo'tparito at ang kaalaman ay lalago." (Dan.12:4)

Saksi tayo sa mabilis na pagsulong ng karunungan at paglago ng
kaalaman. Ang napakaraming
imbensiyon at mga kaalamang natuklasan sa larangan ng siyensiya
at teknolohiya ay nangyari sa panahong ito. Bunga nito ay nagli-
litawan ang mga kasangkapang nagpabilis sa paghatid ng mensahe
at komunikasyon at sa paglalakbay ng tao. Ito ang hinulaan ni
Propeta Daniel na "marami ang tatakbo ng paroo'tparito." Muli,
pinatutunayan nito na totoo ang Biblia;natupad angsinabi rito
na mangyayari.

MAY SINABI PA BA ANG DIOS sa PAMAMAGITAN ng mga APOSTOL,NANATA-
LA RIN sa BIBLIA ,TUNGKOL sa MAGAGANAP sa MGA HULING ARAW,AT
SIYA NGANG NAKITA NATIN NATUPAD?

Mayroong. Ang pagdating ng panahong mapanganib sa mga huling
araw. Ganito ang pahayag sa II Timoteo 3:1-5

"Datapuwa't alamin mo ito, na sa mga huling araw ay darating
ang mga panahong mapanganib.
"Sapagkay ang mga tao ay maginging maibigin sa kanilang sarili,
maibigin sa salapi,mayabang,mga mapagmalaki, mapagtungayaw, masu-
wayin sa mga magulang, mga walang turing, mga walang kabanalan,
"Walang katutubong pagibig, mga walang paglulubag, mga palabin-
tangin, mga walang pagpipigil sasarili, mga mabangis, hindi mai-
bigin sa mabuti,
"Mga lilo, mga matitigas ang ulo, mga palalo, mga maibigin sa
kalayawan kay sa mga maibigin sa Dios;
"Na may anyo ng kabanalan, datapuwa't tinanggihan ang kapangya-
rihan nito: lumayo ka rin naman sa mga ito."

Hindi matututulan ang kaganapan ng mga pahayag na ito. Ang
pagsama ng tao, ang paglago ng katampalasanan, at ang paglamig
ng pag-ibig ng tao sa Diyos at sa kaniyang kapuwa-tao ay hayag
na hayag sa atin. Halos araw-araw ay laman ng mga pahayagan ang
iba't-ibang karumal-dumal na krimenna ginagawa ng tao laban sa
kaniyang kapwa. Ito ay ibinibala na ng Biblia noong pang-una. Ang
nakikita nating katuparan ng pahayag na iyon ng Biblia ay katu-
nayang totoo ang mga salitang nakasulat dito at, kung gayon ay
mga salita ito ng Diyos
Dahil dito, natitiyak natin na ang Biblia na ginamit natin
ngayon ay ang tunay na Banal na Kasulatan sapagkat taglay nito
ang uri o katangian ng mga salita ng Diyos: kapag sinalita Niya
ay tiyak mangyayari.



Mga Kapatid ang biblia ay nasulat sa panahon pa ng mga Apostol... Ang mga hula na ito ay naisulat na bago pa ito maganap.. Katunayan ang mga digmaan.. Kahirapan... Lindol at ibat-iba pang sakuna... at marami pang katunayan na nakasulat sa biblia ang mga nangayari na... Ito ang aking pananampalataya na walang pag-alinlangan ang Biblia ay salita ng Diyos..

[Green Lantern]

Wait, did Pengyou just use the bible to prove that the bible is true? Hmmm... Aha!

[Green Lantern]

tulumeh wrote:
totoo nga wala ako mental powers para sa supernatural at iyan ang dahilan kung bakit may bibliya. doon matatagpuan ang pagkaunawa sa Diyos na lumikha. Intelligent siya dahil ang mga nilikha niya ay nangangailangan ng intelligence para malikha. Kung ano man ang abot ng omnipotence nya ay di ko maaabot ngunit malalaman natin ang kanyang nasa isip dahil nakasulat sa Bibliya. Ang Diyos ang standard ng intelligence bakit naman nya kailangan malagpasan ang sarili nya?

[Pengyou]

Events are proof na ang Biblia ay nagsasalita ng katotohanan.. kahit nga ang biblia napatunayan na II Timoteo 3:1-5

"Datapuwa't alamin mo ito, na sa mga huling araw ay darating
ang mga panahong mapanganib.
"Sapagkay ang mga tao ay maginging maibigin sa kanilang sarili,
maibigin sa salapi,mayabang,mga mapagmalaki, mapagtungayaw, masu-
wayin sa mga magulang, mga walang turing, mga walang kabanalan,
"Walang katutubong pagibig, mga walang paglulubag, mga palabin-
tangin, mga walang pagpipigil sasarili, mga mabangis, hindi mai-
bigin sa mabuti,
"Mga lilo, mga matitigas ang ulo, mga palalo, mga maibigin sa
kalayawan kay sa mga maibigin sa Dios;
"Na may anyo ng kabanalan, datapuwa't tinanggihan ang kapangya-
rihan nito: lumayo ka rin naman sa mga ito."

Mga tao sa ksalukuyan ito... Kahit po maghanap kau ng mga pangyayari sa biblia lahat po yun ay nangyari..

[Green Lantern]

Once again Mr. Pengyou, you can't use the bible to prove that the bible is true. You have to have corroboration from other sources. If a man says he is honest, do you outrightly know that he is indeed honest just because he predicted that a ball will fall to the ground if thrown? If a woman says you raped her, should we outrightly know that she speaks the truth because she predicted that the sun will rise tomorrow? Besides, what you are trying to say is that everything that the bible predicted has happened or is happening therefore the bible is true. Well, what about the misses? You missed the part of Jesus' return? Why should I believe a book written by shepherds than Nostradamus himself?

[Pengyou]

well it seems that you don't really believe in the bible.and mostly you don't also believe in God..
well you have a point, forcing you to believe something that you don't believe is difficult for us...

well you said that: "If a man says he is honest, do you out rightly know that he is indeed honest just because he predicted that a ball will fall to the ground if thrown?" well that action or event was proven before, by experiment or other means. But not like the words in the bible no one ever proved or predicted that there are many certain events will happened "exactly". (taking note that the bible was written long long time ago)..

you also said: "If a woman says you raped her, should we out rightly know that she speaks the truth because she predicted that the sun will rise tomorrow?" Rising of the sun was proven and was an event we witnessed every day even from our birth. But the bible speaks prediction of the past, present and the future. and no man can do that but our Almighty God...

"You missed the part of Jesus' return? Why should I believe a book written by shepherds than Nostradamus himself? " I have faith that Jesus Christ will return and it will be the Day of Judgment and all who have worship God will be saved. and those who do not believe will face judgment.


"Kung ang sinoman ay hindi manatili sa akin, ay siya'y matatapong
katulad ng sanga, at matutuyo; at mga titipunin at mga ihahagis sa
apoy,at mangasusunog." (Juan 15:6)

"Sinabi ko nga sa inyo, na kayo'y mangamamatay sa inyong mga kasa-
lanan; sapagka't malibang kayo'y magsisampalataya na ako nga ang
Cristo, ay mangamamatay kayo sa inyong mga kasalanan." (Juan 8:24)

"At ang kamatayan at ang Hades ay ibinulid sa dagatdagatang apoy.
Ito ang ikalawang kamatayan, sa makatuwid ay ang dagatdagatang
apoy."(Apoc.20:14)


I am not intending to hurt you're feelings but that was the truth..

Not all things can be seen.. That was "belief" or Paniniwala - na kaylangan pang dumaan ng sa 5 senses ng tao: sight, touch, hearing, smell and taste. but "faith" or pananampalataya - kapanatagan ng mga bagay na hindi nakikita o nangyayari..

God cannot be seen but He exist.

[tulumeh]

i2 ang ndi maintindihan ng mga agnostic n yan. di nla mtanggap n faith ang kailangan kung mhina ang proof at kaduda-duda. kung naniwla ako sa God at mamatay ako at s huli totoong meron, ligtas ako at kung wla man God ok lng. ngunit kung ndi ako mniwala at s huli meron pla, parusa ang matitikman.

[Green Lantern]

Pengyou wrote:
well it seems that you don't really believe in the bible.and mostly you don't also believe in God..
well you have a point, forcing you to believe something that you don't believe is difficult for us...

I believe that the bible is a very old literature written by shepherds of the Middle East as an expression of their belief system at that time, just like the myths and legends told by our ancestors long ago, which doesn't really answer today's questions. As to the god depicted in the bible, Yahweh, even if he does exist, he is not worthy of any worship or praise.

well you said that: "If a man says he is honest, do you out rightly know that he is indeed honest just because he predicted that a ball will fall to the ground if thrown?" well that action or event was proven before, by experiment or other means. But not like the words in the bible no one ever proved or predicted that there are many certain events will happened "exactly". (taking note that the bible was written long long time ago)..

That was exactly my point. You keep saying that the god of the bible predicted what happened and what will happen but there is no way to prove that what happened is what he predicted. What if right now I say that 10 persons on this earth will die of a heart attack today?

you also said: "If a woman says you raped her, should we out rightly know that she speaks the truth because she predicted that the sun will rise tomorrow?" Rising of the sun was proven and was an event we witnessed every day even from our birth. But the bible speaks prediction of the past, present and the future. and no man can do that but our Almighty God...

Did god also predict that I will disbelieve him?

"You missed the part of Jesus' return? Why should I believe a book written by shepherds than Nostradamus himself? " I have faith that Jesus Christ will return and it will be the Day of Judgment and all who have worship God will be saved. and those who do not believe will face judgment.

What kind of god and saviour are they if they impose fear or threats of eternal damnation if their people would not worship them?

"At ang kamatayan at ang Hades ay ibinulid sa dagatdagatang apoy.
Ito ang ikalawang kamatayan, sa makatuwid ay ang dagatdagatang
apoy."(Apoc.20:14)

What the fuck is the Greek god Hades doing in the New Testament?

I am not intending to hurt you're feelings but that was the truth..

You are doing a good job not hurting my feelings, thanks. However, saying that it is the truth doesn't mean it IS the truth. The truth is Yahweh does not exist and even if it did, it is not worthy of worship.

Not all things can be seen.. That was "belief" or Paniniwala - na kaylangan pang dumaan ng sa 5 senses ng tao: sight, touch, hearing, smell and taste. but "faith" or pananampalataya - kapanatagan ng mga bagay na hindi nakikita o nangyayari..
God cannot be seen but He exist.

Well, some things we may not see, but maybe later we can. As to your bible god, with the present available information, I would say that he does not exist. That's the problem with you theists. You are "panatag" with the idea that unseen forces are the works of your god.

Now, if I tell you that god revealed to me that he is actually a flying spaghetti monster, would you believe me? Cheers!

[Green Lantern]

Jul 31, 2010 9:44:53 GMT 8 tulumeh said:

i2 ang ndi maintindihan ng mga agnostic n yan. di nla mtanggap n faith ang kailangan kung mhina ang proof at kaduda-duda. kung naniwla ako sa God at mamatay ako at s huli totoong meron, ligtas ako at kung wla man God ok lng. ngunit kung ndi ako mniwala at s huli meron pla, parusa ang matitikman.

And what is a minute-minded Christian like you doing in a thinking-cap-required thread? The proof for your god's existence is weak as you admitted and yet you continue to believe it? And you instead use Pascal's wager on me? Hahaha! Let me ask you, Mr. tulumeh: What if in the end you worshipped the wrong god? What if you found out that the real god is Zeus? Don't you think he'll punish you too for worshipping the wrong god?

[Mikko Afro]

@green Lantern: Why waste your time playing with those fairy tale fanatics? Honestly, believing in a Faith with a twist of doubt makes him a sicko

What if the real God is Bhin? The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[Pengyou]

I am spending my time just for this because I just want to share my faith to you guys.. because God said that we have to share the Good message of God to others.

Why am I so confident?

Do we often asked?
Why we cry?, we hurt, we get old, get sick, get hungry, there are rich, poor, earthquakes, storms, tornadoes, vulcanic eruptions? Its because our world is not perfect.. We are not perfect.. in order to commit perfection you have to acknowledge God, have faith in Him and you will commit everlasting life... Because if the world was made perfect,, no one will ever want to go to heaven,..

We love. We seek love of others. we marry. we meet friends. isn't it wonderful?
If you love your parents, love your neighbor, love your wife, love your friends.. God also love us.. Even thou many people are ignoring His existence, He still love us. He give us shelter, foods, energy, He guide us in our journey and etc. if you love God He will love you more, and I'm sure its WONDERFUL .... Because God is Good All the Time.

God created the world.. How? Its written in the book of Genesis
Its like building a house w/c is a home or habitat of a human is being build by a manpower but not ACCIDENT.
the world habitat of many living things was created by God not by accident...
A human was molded by God by mud. when a human dies he also return to mud..


When you have questions.
Please try to even talk to God by prayer, and He will definitely answer you. please try.

Please don't hate me. I'm just stating my Faith.. Love you guys.

[Green Lantern]

Mikko Afro wrote:
Why waste your time playing with those fairy tale fanatics? Honestly, believing in a Faith with a twist of doubt makes him a sicko
What if the real God is Bhin? The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

I just enjoy the intellectual masturbation.

[Green Lantern]

Pengyou wrote:
I am spending my time just for this because I just want to share my faith to you guys.. because God said that we have to share the Good message of God to others.

And what is this good message of god?

Why am I so confident?

Is it because you use Rexona?

Do we often asked?
Why we cry?, we hurt, we get old, get sick, get hungry, there are rich, poor, earthquakes, storms, tornadoes, vulcanic eruptions? Its because our world is not perfect.. We are not perfect.. in order to commit perfection you have to acknowledge God, have faith in Him and you will commit everlasting life... Because if the world was made perfect,, no one will ever want to go to heaven,..

Why can't your god just send everyone to heaven without troubling himself with creating an imperfect world?

We love. We seek love of others. we marry. we meet friends. isn't it wonderful?
If you love your parents, love your neighbor, love your wife, love your friends.. God also love us.. Even thou many people are ignoring His existence, He still love us. He give us shelter, foods, energy, He guide us in our journey and etc. if you love God He will love you more, and I'm sure its WONDERFUL .... Because God is Good All the Time.

If your god is good all the time, why is there evil in the world?
If your god is good all the time, why did he flood the world?
If your god is good all the time, why did he firebomb Sodom and Gomorrah?
If your god is good all the time, why did he allow Elijah to curse the kids who then got eaten by bears?
If yous god is good all the time, why did he command the slaughter of many people in the old testament?
I can make a shitload of list here of your god's atrocities.
Bottomline is, I love humankind more than you can ever imagine. But it's not because of your god.

God created the world.. How? Its written in the book of Genesis
Its like building a house w/c is a home or habitat of a human is being build by a manpower but not ACCIDENT.
the world habitat of many living things was created by God not by accident...
A human was molded by God by mud. when a human dies he also return to mud..

If your god created the world as written in Genesis, then your god is a weakling who needed 6 days to make an imperfect world and he needed rest. And who says that the universe is an accident?

When you have questions.
Please try to even talk to God by prayer, and He will definitely answer you. please try.

Please don't hate me. I'm just stating my Faith.. Love you guys.

[Mikko Afro]

Whew, where are the theists? Nag rapture na ba? LOL

[Green Lantern]

Mikko my Agnostic friend, the laziness of these theists are simply overwhelming. Their knowledge of the universe is stored in a book made by shepherds. I do not claim to know everything but I know I can always learn. But to learn the answers from that book is plain laziness. No wonder the only Christian nation in Asia is also the Beggar of Asia. Relying on god for all the troubles. Please theists, have a little humanity.